INTEROPERABILITY WORKSTREAM MEETING 25-09-2024
RICHARD I’m just going to get the ball rolling first off. We’ve got a working group on fire critical assets and three workstreams of which this is one: interoperability, business case and digital record. What we found in the first couple of meetings in all of these is a difficulty in focus because we knew they would all interlink and cross over, but not quite to the extent that we’re experiencing. The digital record group on Monday are actually redefining completely what they’re doing for the meeting that they’ve got on Friday. So, we’re hoping, and with great confidence, that this meeting will address any concerns or issues that could be apparent within this group and be ready to move forward. Paul, I think you’re next, aren’t you?
PAUL OAKLEY (shares screen). I presume that everybody has had a chance to look at the summary from the original meeting which went through the key things that we are talking about on interoperability, the focus, the key components, the challenges that have been highlighted, proposed strategies and the consensus. There’s various other things that are going on that we’ll talk about as we go through the meeting, but the key intention was to look at the purposes and to a certain extent we’ve grabbed some of those, but actually we discussed it with Karim and Richard and we’ve decided we’re going to take a slightly different approach today and ask you what information you want and how you want that. And Karim will explain that a bit more in a minute.
I’ll; also talk a bit about work that was done under BIM4Housing with the Templater that was originally housed by BRE, the solution was provided by Active Plan as part of the work there, just to explain how some of the existing data standards are already mapped and dealt with. So we don’t need to deal with those aspects, but it’s really pushing the focus on what we need to do under the asset management barrier, not within the design and construction barrier. BuildingSMART are already dealing with what’s going on on the design and construction, that’s their bag, and also looking at it particularly from a UK point of view. There will be generic requirements for asset management, but when we start getting into the specifics some of that will have to deal with UK legislation and things like that, which will be different to other places. Richard, do you want to cover briefly what all the other different groups are?
RICHARD At the moment there’s just four. There are another three or four being set up at the moment, but none of them have had their first meeting yet, so there is not really anything to report on those. There’s one on PFI, one on new builds, four or five of them, but they’ve not had a first meeting yet. It’s just the three workstreams and the working group fire critical that are actually in action.
PAUL OAKLEY OK, just making sure that we stick on the focus of what this group has been targeted to do and not jump in to try and resolve all of the problems.
RICHARD Well, that’s it, and as I say there has been an issue for the other groups, particularly digital record keep straying into your domain. Which is going to happen, but hopefully we can hold it off long enough that you’ve got some traction on what you’re doing and you’re in a direction and there is some output there to then share that with the other groups in maybe one big meeting or several big meetings. But not at this stage because if we do that too early it’s not going to be focused enough and it’s going to become this big overarching thing. We’re trying to focus it and narrow it down so that it’s more of a bite-sized chunk that we can actually get something out of.
KARIM FARGHALY (shares screen). The discussion we had two days ago that we do have a problem where we are going and how we map all of the different workstreams. I tried to find how they are and share this and please, if you have a different aspect of it let’s discuss it now. I don’t know if you’ve heard the term semantic triangle or reference triangle, but 101 years ago in a book called The Meaning of Meaning, this was actually discussed. But at that time it was called reference triangle. So, we have a symbol or a string and we have a referent or a thing, and usually the symbol stands for the thing. Think about it in our aspect, we have digital records, we have business cases or a building, it can work for anything…it can work for digital twin, we have a digital side and a physical side. But usually it does have unstable relationship and this was mentioned 101 years ago.
So to overcome this, and at that time 101 years ago it was called a reference triangle.So we can have a reference for a concept which the symbol evokes this concept and the reference refers to the thing, we find this kind of second relationship to do this. OK, why am I saying all of this? Where we sits in here? I see that the digital records workstream are trying to sort out the string aspect, what are the digital deliverables there.The business case workstream are trying to sort out the thing, but again, without us they will be in silos: the digital records would be alone, the business case will be alone. So I see the interoperability, our workstream, sits on the top of this. OK, so what do we need to do then? How I see it is the following.
The digital records will identify different information container or whatever deliverables: it’s a database, it’s a file, it’s a drawing, it’s a 3D model, it’s a table, all of the things that we actually deliver as a digital aspect. And then we need to combine them and build this kind of data sets, so we need to understand each digital record, what does it contain and what’s the relationship between all inside. And then we need to turn this to data points and the data points is the properties or any kind of information in this kind of digital records under specific data sets. And then we go to the business case and say OK, do you think these data points will achieve the business case that you are mentioning? Is it enough? And this will bring us back the other way around.
So, the business case will come and say actually, this is not enough, we need more information. Or actually no, this is too much information and we don’t need this, and this will go back to the data points, go back to the data sets and then reflect again in the digital records. And if we did this correctly I think we will reach the relation or the link between the digital records and the business case. The last thing I will say, it wouldn’t stop here because quality would be next. So, how we achieve the quality of this information, but at least we need to know what information we need to share and to collect.
RICHARD That was excellent, well done indeed, because that’s a toughy and I think you nailed it. So basically, you’re sitting in the middle, so when we get further down the line when we’ve got some inputs that are ready to become outputs, you’re actually sitting in the middle so you would be dealing with the business case people…So, you sit at the top so you’ve got the full view of everything.
KARIM FARGHALY Yes, and we should deliver, which will make the digital records happy and, at the same time, the business case happy. And just to be clear, when we say the word BIM here I don’t mean building information modelling because I’ve seen trying to solve this when we are talking about any kind of information. So, whatever we will deliver there, its data points for all of the digital records and BIM is just one of the digital records. We need to look at all of those.
RICHARD OK, so now you’re defining what information is needed, is that what you’re looking at doing now?
KARIM FARGHALY We need to start with a bottom up approach, we need to know what are the deliverables. So, the people we know in our group, the asset managers, what do you deliver? What do you have? What kind fo documents, what information inside the documents, and then try to cluster this information. And again, we don’t say it clearer in construction, we deliver the same information if 3 or 4 different formats, but they are not talking to each other. And our job is to make this kind of relation, I think, this is a proposal, it doesn’t mean that we need to go this way.
RICHARD Who has got any comments on Karim’s proposal that we operate in this way in this grouping?
PHIL THOMPSON I like it, but do we have all sub-sectors of construction covered here within this forum because if there’s somebody who isn’t represented here they may have a slightly different view.
RICHARD Who do we need? That’s the first thing to do then. Jiss, as we speak, will be doing an Excel sheet of who is actually in the meeting and what their job role is.
PAUL OAKLEY Phil, on that, some of it will be obviously we’ve got the experience of what we’ve got here and then I know from discussions in the other groups they’re going to be finding stuff that they want us to take onboard as well. So, we may then get requirements from them in terms of how we deal with certain things. But I think that we want to start the process on the things that we have knowledge within the group here and then we can then pick up the other things as they require it.
RICHARD Let me say, the other groups are equally trying to get themselves organised and you’ve got a bit of a march on them, so I’d say you just carry on and don’t worry about that too much. We’ve got a start point and the start point seems to be here who do we need to engage. Who do we want in the meeting and then if we haven’t got the kind of people…
PAUL OAKLEY Karim, can you just put up the last slide again? The quality, the next bit, when you’re talking about defining things and the properties and that associated with them you can then agree on standard things like enumerated values and stuff that can be associated with them. So, if you took something like a fire door you might have identified ratings of FD20, FD30, FD60, FD30-S etc. So actually when you’re talking about the quality you can then verify that the information that’s been provided meets some of those agreed enumerated values. You can’t define that actually that’s how it’s been tested against, unless you’re actually then cross referencing with the fire certificate, but at least you know that the data provided comes from an agreed thing.
Because the trouble with things like 30, are you writing 30? Are you writing thirty? Or are you doing as half hour? There’s lots of ways of describing the same things. So some of the stuff of what we’re trying to do is to help with defining things in a common way that makes sure that when you’re doing these exchanges everybody can understand and that quality bit can then work on from that.
KARIM FARGHALY That’s completely right…I do believe in our job in the workstream of interoperability in one way or another is a naming convention and making sure that everything and the units and so on. When I meant the quality, when someone asks them the distance between something and they say it’s 30 centimetres, for example, how will I make sure that actually that’s true? How I would relate the thing to the representation of it, to the string. So, this is a different kind of quality which is about data with physical, rather than the quality of the data itself. So, it’s not about naming convention and units, I think we need to solve this and we need to provide a standard for this.
For example, one of the examples we saw in the BIM world was that people right levels in a very strange way, they all it L01, Level 01, every document will write it in a different way. And this is where the ontology was set on. But we can say OK, can you use Uniclass in this?Can you use NRM1 in that? SFG20 and so on like this. So, this is part of our interoperability group, to be honest.
ANA MATIC I think this is brilliant as a sort of summary of what we’re trying to do. I’m just interested in though the use of the word quality and maybe even that needs defining. Do you mean accuracy, or quality?
KARIM FARGHALY It’s more accuracy, but I meant because…
ANA MATIC It goes back to your triangle, which is that also our own understanding of something slightly changes with the use of the thing. I just wanted to ask a practical question which is that coming from a point of view of a professional, in this area I’m a consultant, but what about the user or the kind of user occupier? Are we saying that basically their views about all of this is represented within each of the groups? Or is there a kind of next diagram which then relates this to the user occupier understanding of this, views on this?
KARIM FARGHALY I can give it a try. I see the user occupier as the business case, so it’s one of the business cases. So we need to take into consideration their requirements which will turn to information requirements which will appear in the data points later on.
ANA MATIC Understood, so they’re basically in the business case bucket.
PAUL OAKLEY (shares screen). Those in BIM4Housing will have probably have seen this, I’m not sure in what format, before, because there was originally Active Plan developed the template solution quite some years ago as part of the work with BRE under Building Smart Uk we developed the Templater solution further. And then a version of it was then provided for BIM4Housing and there was a BIM4housing specific Templater. Unfortunately that was on the BRE website and they seem to have taken those down, so we haven’t got access to those, but we’ve still got the data on that. So, the template solution here is a data dictionary for holding information about things, it could be anything.
We have something called template types which are ways of grouping, so if you think of template types as grouping things. So, users could be a group of thing and then we can define things about particular users. We’ve got the existing products, space, systems, the general ones that come in but this can be expanded and cover anything. Then you vet categories, so a lot of this has been built based on things like the IC schema and other things that exist. So there is a whole series of different categories, and then there’s published states. Part of the work that was undertaken with BRE…if we look at a particular template, we’ll go for a Beam because I know there is a lot of stuff on it, you can see that each template is linked to an IFC type. So we have the IFC beams type and that allowed us then to link to BIM objects and do things there. Against the type you can define what it is, you can define the sub-types, you can put tags which are used for synonyms etc, you can do multiple classifications: we’ve got Uniclass, Omniclass, CISfB, NRM, anyway you want to basically classify something you can put those things in. And if we need to use other classifications for things that we come up with we can add those classifications into the system as well.
Generally you’ve got property groups, so these are all of the existing Building Smart property sets and quantity sets which are identified within things. And then against a particular thing you’ve then got the identified properties that re linked into that property set. Now, where these are different, because in IFC it’s an international standard so it doesn’t deal with things like expressions of units. So, when it’s talking about how you deal with thermal transmittance it doesn’t know what that expression is. It doesn’t know that the span should be in metres on that. So you can define within this Templater the specific expressions of units depending on what we need it to do from our point of view. Whereas IFC, that is generally put into the model what the units have been defined against those, but this then allows evaluation.
So this is where, again, on things like the fire door you can put enumerated lists against those and you can identify what the values are and then you can validate against those values. So, we have a technical solution that when we come down to the detail side of stuff allows us to capture the stuff that we’re doing. We don’t need to worry about things like IFC because they’ve already been done and standard COBie requirements, they’ve been done. Things like FIREie, we’ve already put those sorts of things into here. So this is now looking at the requirements we had from the asset management point of view and how we’re going to deal with those. Any questions on that?
RICHARD So this is about ensuring the quality of the information? Or that the information is there in the first place?
PAUL OAKLEY They could do both. There’s another thing we have that works with it which actually is an asset information requirements. So you can define here is all of the stuff, here’s the template of properties against particular things, but then in the asset information requirements you can identify…so, for COBie you can identify which are the specific fields that you need from this set of requirements. Because you may have hundreds of requirements identified, but actually the focus is only on these five.
RICHARD But the purpose of this group is to identify that.
PAUL OAKLEY Yes, and the focus has been a lot on, people were talking about IFC and all these other things, that’s all been done, we don’t need to worry about that. It’s the stuff that asset managers need which is the key bits that we need to look at. And even if it’s things like documents that they need because if it’s just what properties do we need to assign to documents or other things we haven’t looked at, lets identify those to create some categories of things, define whatever information that we need for those things to allow us to filters and make sure that we’ve got the things that we need to resolve the issues that we’ve got, the business cases that have been coming up.
RICHARD So the next step here now is what?
PAUL OAKLEY Last time in interoperability we went through, we identified what we thought was purposes, I’ve done some colour coding on those. There’s still lots of things up for discussion, but really what we want to focus on is, as Karim has already said, what digital records do you receive or require. So I’ve done an example of drawings, you require drawings, maybe what do you use them for and then what formats are they in. So if we can just basically look at those three questions. Richard, who was…we’ve got the Miro board, was access sent to everybody?
RICHARD Yes, it was, there was a password. Jiss would know about that because he’s the one that organised it with them.
PAUL OAKLEY I’ve just put the link in the chat. It’s a matter of whether you’ve got, unless you can login you can view it, but you can’t actually add stuff on it.
ANA MATIC If you accepted the invite when we were sent it then it will appear in your many Miro boards. This is great, it’s great to actually think about them, what is it, what do you need them for?
PAUL OAKLEY It is amazing how as an architect the amount of times we produce loads of information that we found out that the contractor did not really want. To actually just sit them down at the beginning saying this is what we’re proposing to deliver, do you want that.
ANA MATIC Just on that one GA that gets laminated onsite, that’s all that they want. That’s how we should be thinking about things. I keep having this discussion with lots and lots of our teams because we are starting to work increasingly on BSA projects. Fire strategy is quite a conceptual thing, what I mean is it’s not just made of simple information, it’s made of information that only works if it reads in context with other information.
PAUL OAKLEY Yeah, on this, let’s start at the high level. We’re trying to eat an elephant so from these things we then need to look at the priority of which do we decide are the important ones and then we’ll sort of work our way down on those.
KARIM FARGHALY Just a comment to make sure that we’re all on the same place. Phil, I saw you wrote a unique identifier. For me a unique identifier is a data point, here we are asking about where this data point will be sitting. Is this in a building passport? Is this in a 3D model? What’s the digital record? So what’s the submittal itself?
PHIL THOMPSON OK, but the question says what digital records do you receive, require? So, I’m obviously looking at this from my perspective and my experiences round transactional data and information between supply chains. I don’t need anything more than a unique identifier, that’s it, one single piece of information that clearly references that product, in any landscape, database, location, whatever.
KARIM FARGHALY Perfect, but where it sits is this unique identifier will be in a database? Or is it in a product specification document?
PHIL THOMPSON It can be in anything, it can be a code on the product, the label, in a manufacturer’s database, in a catalogue, on a website, a PDF, anywhere and everywhere.
PAUL OAKLEY It’s what’s used for the mapping between everything.
PHIL THOMPSON Yeah, and that’s something that I wanted to raise. I think in all of these forums that I’m involved with there’s always a danger that we go too complex. I’m always keen to remind everyone that we should be looking at this from a layman’s perspective because we might be describing this now and everyone on the call might have a good understanding of it, but if you want to work with the industry and get buy in from this you’ve got to dumb this down to the lowest common denominator. So, there is no point talking about IFC to someone in the supply chain, they don’t give a damn, they want to define the what. Categorisation and taxonomy comes next, but you need to define the what the thing: what do you want to design, what do you want to purchase, what do you want to install, what do you want to maintain what do you want to demolish.
PAUL OAKLEY OK, so just on those if you see on the ones I’ve put in as an example on the drawing, I just gave a little ID on the top of it. Because we’re going to run out of colours, if you can just put an ID across the same one across your sets of things, just so we see that they link.
RICHARD Can I just come in on the what. George would say that we’ve just talked about having too much information and the reason that we’ve got too much information is because people focus on the what. If you focus on the why first, you only have what you need.
PHIL THOMPSON I don’t understand that.
RICHARD If you have information for information’s sake, you are looking at what. if you look at the why first you’ll only have the information that you need because there is a reason for it not just information for information’s sake.
PHIL THOMPSON Yeah, but we’re talking here about the basics of information management. if I went into a supermarket, I know why I want a tin of beans because I want to eat it, but it’s got a reference on it which uniquely identifies the product. So, why is the why relevant?
RICHARD Because if you haven’t got a why you need the information that’s why there is so much information that nobody wants and nobody needs because it’s never been filtered. You’re filtering it out…
PHIL THOMPSON I accept that, but the filtration comes within the scope of the discipline of the individual. if you’re talking to the supply chain, why do they need information? Because they need to uniquely identify a product to correctly supply it.
PAUL OAKLEY Phil, unique identifiers are absolutely crucial. The whole thing about digital twins, if you look at things like transport mechanisms, every bus has a number, every bus stop has a number, every station has a number. So basically they can track when the buses are going, the same on airports, flights. So everything has a unique number which basically allows all of those systems to work in place. So yeah, a unique identifier is absolutely crucial and I argued this for the last 15 years in different groups, pushing that.
PHIL THOMPSON Going back to the point that Richard raised there, the comment he made that George would ask, I’m playing devil’s advocate a bit but if there is a why element shouldn’t that be a column in front of the what?
PAUL OAKLEY Some of these things will expand further on. The idea on this meeting was let’s start with what we want and then we will look at the specifics and then talk about some of the other things, like why and that…
JOE STOTT Isn’t the why an output from the business case?
KARIM FARGHALY I completely agree with that comment. The idea is we will identify the data points and then based on the business case we will have some data points for a specific business case and some data points for another business case. What we’re doing here is a bottom up approach, so this digital records already exist with some information. We’re trying to define this information and then go to people and say does that fit to the purpose, or not. Because if we started from the business case they don’t know, people know I want to deliver this, but they don’t know how deep and the granularity of the information. So we need to start from there.
PAUL OAKLEY If you can’t get onto the Miro board if you want to put things into the chat then we can put them in that way.
PHIL THOMPSON One of the ways I've been looking at this as well is almost from a hierarchical perspective. Some of these are building blocks and the industry has a habit of creating blocks with nothing to sit on. So, geometric information, that’s a very narrow aspect of the industry, but what does that sit on?What inputs does that require? That’s the question I always ask in order to work out which is the primary driver.
PAUL OAKLEY Even things like geometric based stuff, things like location points are absolutely crucial because people create a 3D block to represent an object and actually they have the insertion point of that about 2 miles from where the object is placed. So actually the 3D object may hold some data, but it’s absolutely useless because I know it looks correct on a view, the data you’re getting out from it is completely wrong because actually it gives you back a location which is nowhere near where it really is. So there’s these sorts of problems that you’ve got to try and look at that come into other things.
PHIL THOMPSON Yeah, and geometry can be also overkill depending on the application requirement you might have a geometry for a wiring accessory, who cares? it’s almost like an entity within the model, we don’t need to know the radius of the corners. What about also, and again critiquing the wording here, we’ve got digital records, why are we referring to it as digital? Digital could be a flat PDF.
PAUL OAKLEY Yeah, exactly.
PHIL THOMPSON But should it not be what records do you require? And then obviously we can promote digital.
ANA MATIC Well, it has to be digital, right?
PHIL THOMPSON Eventually…but at the moment the industry hasn’t even got its head around analogue in terms of interoperability. There’s no adoption of interoperable analogue information that I’ve come across.
PAUL OAKLEY Yeah, I did include things like paper as a formats because you’re right, they could just be scans, photographs, bits of paper. But let’s just find out what we think people want. Somewhat ironic, Phil, that I’m giving your unique identifier a unique identifier. So things like O&Ms, health & safety files, manufacturers data, are they things that are needed by asset managers?
ANA MATIC O&Ms are a whole compilation of stuff, right?
PAUL OAKLEY Yeah. A geometric model, we change that to an as-built.
ANA MATIC That’s fine. What I’m trying to say is geometric as opposed to information model. Because you might choose not to have a geometric model, you might choose to just extract the information and literally have it with a good set of plans, for example. Which is in fact at the moment still a little bit more realistic that quite complex…not complex, even simplified geometric models are still a little bit too much for people to maintain and look after and keep alive. So, it’s question mark potential.
PHIL THOMPSON It would be useful to add swim lanes to this as well so we can put each element into the discipline.
PAUL OAKLEY Yeah, hopefully we’ll get to that point later on with stuff going through.
ANA MATIC What about stuff like commissioning data? Do we see that as a separate thing?
PAUL OAKLEY I think that’s the sort of level that we need to get to.
EDUARDO SCHOENAU I asked to join the team, for some reason I’m not able to create any information, just add comments.
KARIM FARGHALY I just added the password in the chat. I got it from the previous meeting. Maybe it could help.
PAUL OAKLEY I think that only allows you to view, you can’t create.
EDUARDO SCHOENAU I have more apps to add in contents. Just thinking about my own benefit, GIS data. So it should have linear assets, or even like cover a big region, we want to have the location of these assets and we have a portfolio.
PHIL THOMPSON We shouldn’t use Miro more often if it keeps everyone this quiet.
ANA MATIC It's one of the quietest meetings I've been to in a while.
PHIL THOMPSON And productive, I always think using these boards you get so much more out of a meeting that just chat.
ANA MATIC Yeah, it focuses people.
PAUL OAKLEY So, who mentioned previously about the residents and users?
ANA MATIC I was asking that, just to understand in terms fo the diagram that we started with, where do they fit.
PAUL OAKLEY There must be more things like evacuation requirements and stuff like that, so there’s information that we need about the residents people, that sort of stuff.
ANA MATIC There would be a whole lot of stuff that’s not necessarily so targeting the maintenance team, but it’s targeting the user of the building and will need to be differently formatted.
PAUL OAKLEY Yeah, there’s information for the users which goes into the home packs and things like that, and there’s also information about the users. So, it’s those sort of things. Is anybody from housing associations who can help with that?
JOE STOTT INCOMPREHENSIBLE AUDIO…you just fit into…this is for operations, you know not split, obviously falling for a subcategory even though operation. You’ve got very different levels of end users as well.
PAUL OAKLEY Yeah, there’s the end users and then there’s all of the other people.
JOE STOTT I’m thinking in our office, we’re in a served office so we have end users, members of staff signing in, maybe booking a room. But then we’ve got kind of office managers who have got different requirements, suddenly if you’re interested in health & safety. There’s all sorts of various levels within the nest inside that operation, but the end user…It's very different in terms of what we're looking at here at least.
PAUL OAKLEY Yeah, you might have a building that’s owned by somebody who’s then leased to somebody else who then has a, you know…In terms of unique identifiers, they’re pretty self explanatory. As-built, geometric models. We’ve also got asset locations, but then generally there must be other spatial requirements.
JOE STOTT Oh, you've not mentioned energy at all.
PAUL OAKLEY I think that should be facility, that was at the high level. That’s what you were talking about, isn’t it Eduardo? The facility.
EDUARDO SCHOENAU Yeah, you’re right.
PAUL OAKLEY So, where the facility is leading to georeference the assets in the portfolio when those…Is there anybody else who wants to discuss on what we’re got down so far? Any comments.
ANA MATIC Shall we go through them quickly? It might be useful.
PAUL OAKLEY OK, yeah.
ANA MATIC Just to understand, it just depends which level of stuff that we’re looking at. We’re drilling right down to elements or…
PAUL OAKLEY I think at the moment things like the elements, that’s the next step in terms of going on those. Let’\s identify the key pieces of information and then we can get in…There’s already specific sets of work been done by BIM4Housing on things like digital asset entities, they’ve done loads of work on asset types and systems and things like that which support those. Just basic things like facility based stuff, locations. There’s some things available on there. Commissioning data, that opens up a whole series of things that need to be looked at and identified…Identification, I think that covers absolutely everything, asset on the ISO? 1hr 24mins 52secs drives that for certain things so that’s been pushed by lots of different areas globally so that needs to be improved.
I think that about analogue and…machine readable, one of the things we have within the Templater, there’s basically two things. There’s the machine readable version of things and then there is the sensors? sentence? 1hr 25mins 42secs which is human readable, so that’s a standard sort of thing in a data dictionary requirements. Richard, what’s the next meetings or proposals?
RICHARD When do you want the next meeting? It’s up to you guys.
PAUL OAKLEY Shall we go for a month, everyone happy with that? We’ve got this started, we can all think in terms of add to this.
RICHARD That’s a great start, this is really good work.
PHIL THOMPSON We don’t have to wait a month just to meet online, if anyone has got some time and they suddenly have a brainwave, jump in here and make the contribution immediately.
PAUL OAKLEY Yeah, obviously the chat is there so you can put stuff into the chat. if you can’t get access to the board hopefully if you click in you should be able to request access and hopefully that will get sorted out, I’ll have a chat with George.
ADRIAN MOKUS I requested access three times, and nothing, so I don’t know.
JISS I think that Jarek handles the Miro board.
RICHARD Jiss, if it’s Jarek can you chase him on that. In future we need to make sure that any of these Miro boards that we’ve got admin control of so these kind of situations don’t arise really.
PAUL OAKLEY Yeah, and then we keep adding on to this and speak to clients, other colleagues, other people that may be able to contribute to some of these sorts of things and add the things in. If you can’t get into the Miro board just put stuff in the chat and then we can pick the things up next time. And we need to decide where we’re going to go. I’ll aim the Monday before the meeting to go in and tidy what we’ve got up a bit and put some more links and things like that. Wednesday again, at the same time.
RICHARD OK, we’ll do that in four weeks.
JISS The 30th of October.
ANA MATIC I’m just thinking it would be good to think how we want to present this back to the other groups and then work back from that basically, now we’re starting to have quite good information. What’s our own end product? Is it a schedule or set of slides or a guidance document?
PAUL OAKLEY We’ll end up with a series of different things setting out what these sorts of things that we’ve looked at, what the information requirements have identified and then start expanding out some of those in terms of the use case…well, there is a certain amount of stuff in terms of identifying here, then we’ll see how the other workstreams are getting on with their bits. So, what sort of things are the business cases coming out with. And maybe picking up some of the sort of things that Karim presented back to those other. When is the next main AM meeting, Richard?
RICHARD This week.
PAUL OAKLEY Is it worth just presenting that bit?
RICHARD Absolutely, we like to have in each meeting an update on where the workstreams are, so that would be great. It’s good to be able to show something tangible.
PAU OAKLEY Yeah, and if they’ve got particular things that they want to feed into this, if they need a particular steer. Because Cliff was talking about a lot of the things that they’re looking at in terms of these requirements and documents and things like that, so there’s a section of stuff that they’ve already dealt with on that. So, we’ve got a way forward on those, we can push some of those and we’ll get feedback from the main AM group and then we can take things forward for the next meeting. Thanks a lot everybody for your contributions.
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